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#1 supa_fly.

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 05:43 AM

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Fragster interviews Kebap and aHCoS about support
fragster: Let's start this very clear and easy: What are the main things a supporter has to come up with?

Rene 'Kebap' Werner: Above all the most important thing is to have fun with it, talking about you have to be willing to play the support role. Moreover it should not depress you running around with only one bracer and boots in your inventory for quite a long time. Now about the in-game things: I think a supporter should definitely know at any time whether aggressive or defensive wards wards are needed. In addition, he should have map-awareness for rescue teleports and things like that.

Frank-Marian 'aHCoS' Eilers: The point of view differs here. In my opinion the most important thing is that you are not a too ego-related person because you put the personal success behind the good of your team

Buying chicken, placing wards and stealing no lasthits - the most common tasks of a supporter. But it requires more, doesn't it?

Kebap: It sounds pretty simple but the most difficult things for a supporter is probably not to die and knowing how to react in certain situations. I also think that a really good supporter needs a decent amount of skill to know when it is time for anti-warding or teleporting if someone needs to be saved and yet depending to kill the opponent. Some people talk about supporters as if it does not require skill but in my opinion they are totally wrong.

aHCoS:
Yes and no. In some teams you have to do more, for example if you engage in a more aggressive play-style but if your strategy aims on farming and carries, a level seven Maiden, with regularly played wards, can already be sufficient. If you pick Maiden / Alchi / Bristle / Shaker / PotM, and the opponent has got a very weak pusher-lineup, the Maiden player does not have to do more than to wait until his team farmed proper items. But if the enemy picked an offensive gang-strategy, one has to gang with his Maiden, to use his disables wisely in clashes, maybe being able to survive and other things. All this in addition to his supporting role.

Read the entire interview at fragster.de!

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 06:10 AM

Nice to see they interview a 'retired' dota player.....

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 07:06 AM

I of course would like to acknowledge support's contribution and that quite a lot of skill is needed to play a role I would never touch, but it's also extremely depressing to see a zero cs lion/cm/dazzle rockin a bootless build until 20 mins in. No hero should have a reason to feed the moment he enters battle or end up with 3 bracers 1 wand and phase at the end of the game. But sadly that's what is "optimal" for about 50% of the games.

It seems as long as lion manages to get his 3 spells off as fast and possible and retreat from certain death with 3 bracers in tow he has done a good job in battle. Maybe that needs to change. I really appreciate good support but they can have a share in the contributions by at least getting a mek, like non feeding supports eg. abandon

Edited by Negi3, 20 September 2009 - 07:06 AM.


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Posted 20 September 2009 - 07:11 AM

hard to farm jackshit in an equal match if you're also babying someone else. you're dishing out chick/crow, 300 gold every 3 minutes + optional sents and you need phase boots with only ~20-30cs

my experience but hey i suck

the information is good and coincides with a lot of what i've learned so lalalala

Edited by broodstar258, 20 September 2009 - 07:18 AM.


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Posted 20 September 2009 - 07:41 AM

I remember Papa Drayich's superb Lich, who could do a ton of damage, ward all the map, and live with a pair of boots and Bracers. His support was elegant, and I'd love to hear his comments.

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 07:59 AM

QUOTE(Nothill @ Sep 20 2009, 10:41 AM) View Post

I remember Papa Drayich's superb Lich, who could do a ton of damage, ward all the map, and live with a pair of boots and Bracers. His support was elegant, and I'd love to hear his comments.



+1 to this.


best support player right now is easily Miracle.  And guess who trained Miracle?

Edited by bountyface, 20 September 2009 - 08:02 AM.


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Posted 20 September 2009 - 08:52 AM

or fnatics 2 bracer+boots warlock which didnt feed

but this interview was pretty good

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 09:56 AM

QUOTE(red_death @ Sep 20 2009, 09:10 AM) View Post

Nice to see they interview a 'retired' dota player.....


Well, what's the problem?wink.gif Do you think he knows less than other players because he didn't play that much last two weeks?biggrin.png I guess it's okay, because it was an interview about strategy!

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 10:48 AM

If you're < 5 cs at 10 mins, you're probably not playing support correctly.  There's always creeps that your carry can't get to - those are yours.

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 10:54 AM

depends , if a naix with quelling blade , good luck getting even 1

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 10:55 AM

QUOTE(RuFFy7 @ Sep 20 2009, 01:56 PM) View Post

Well, what's the problem?wink.gif Do you think he knows less than other players because he didn't play that much last two weeks?biggrin.png I guess it's okay, because it was an interview about strategy!

I don't think he meant it sarcastically. It is nice to see someone that retired to still be around the scene, I agree with him actually.

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 11:28 AM

Check my replay in the replay section where I jungl enigma while buying wards/chick/crow.

I agree with most of this thing. People thing Supporting is just buying wards and chick, but cant any hero do that? Baiting/ganking/TPing way more crucial then any wards. Communication is also very high, "Hey solo mid you want to farm or gank" which goes along with offensive/defensive. If you dont communicate you wont be 100%.

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 12:05 PM

You're not supposed to creepsteal but there's still lots of creeps a mostly melee role can't get. Denying, harassing and warding takes up a lot of your time, so getting the farm takes some skill. Warding while you're ganking or when there's a teamfight underway and everyone are just standing around helps get more time though, and avoids your otherwise solo warding trips from turning into feeding sprees.

Great to see some focus on the support players, having the greater view of things takes just as much skill as carrying the team.

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 12:22 PM

Bought wards they're on chicken.

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 12:28 PM

You know you're playing with a good supporter when his inventory consists of meka, phase, and some bracers, your map is warded, their map is empty and your carry still has all the items he needs.

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 02:00 PM

QUOTE(Onin- @ Sep 20 2009, 03:28 PM) View Post

You know you're playing with a good supporter when his inventory consists of meka, phase, and some bracers, your map is warded, their map is empty and your carry still has all the items he needs.


Or you are just playing onesided game.

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 02:47 PM

God bless assist gold smile.gif

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 03:44 PM

:essential post about NS being greatest support player to ever play dota:

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 05:33 PM

QUOTE(Spit-wad @ Sep 20 2009, 02:48 PM) View Post

If you're < 5 cs at 10 mins, you're probably not playing support correctly.  There's always creeps that your carry can't get to - those are yours.

i play with two of the best cs'ers on the planet. its hard

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 05:44 PM

QUOTE(e7|Stark- @ Sep 20 2009, 10:54 AM) View Post

depends , if a naix with quelling blade , good luck getting even 1


esp if that naix is the great e7 stark




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