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#1 PeanutPwnsYou

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Posted 25 November 2007 - 12:49 PM

Since 6.49 and the new Javelin came out - the recipe for MKB changed, though the stats didn't. The current stats are still at 75 damage, 30% for 100 damage and mini-stun, and 15% attack speed.

Don't get me wrong here, I really like the new items and the new recipe, but it really doesn't make much sense. For no gold at all - you get extra damage, a better proc chance and damage, and out of nowhere - 15% increased attack speed. The 15% IAS doesn't really make much of a difference, but it doesn't work and relate to any of the item buildup for MKB.

Before 6.49, the IAS came from the Quarterstaff, and that works because that actually gave some attack speed, but Javelins give nothing.

I suggest to change the recipe slightly.


Current:
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Javelin x2
1,400 x2

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Demon Edge
2,600


Proposed:
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Javelin
1,400

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Quarterstaff
900

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Demon Edge
2,600

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Recipe
500


I just believe my suggested recipe will relate more to the given stats of MKB. Doesn't change cost (anymore)
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Edited by PeanutPwnsYou, 17 May 2008 - 12:36 PM.


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Posted 25 November 2007 - 04:14 PM

I don't think it's important to most people that the components of an item "make sense."  This is a fantasy game.  Secondly, quarterstaff USED to be in the recipe and was presumably taken out because it's awful and no one ever buys it until they plan to actually combine for the item.  Why change it again?   Quarterstaff is in good items as punishment for the item being so strong.  Lastly, yes, making the item 250 gold cheaper would make a difference.

#3 superxerO

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Posted 25 November 2007 - 06:00 PM

i kind of thought of the same thing. XD why not just add a recipe costing 250 along with the changes?

t-UP anyway

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 11:12 AM

na its not needed. quarter staff is already overused and such a crappy item anyway. its just a bonus from the item, and doesnt really need to come from somewhere. the remake was just to "buff" MKB and use the new javs in a recipie.

#5 PeanutPwnsYou

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 11:49 AM

Well, I see what you're saying how it really doesn't matter... I was just suggesting because it really annoyed me in game.


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Posted 26 November 2007 - 12:23 PM

Why would 2 javelin and a sword combine into the most powerfull axe in the game? (same thing with staff, javelin and sword)
NO REASON AT ALL!! biggrin.gif
But your remake makes sense so T-UP...

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 02:08 PM

i like the 2 javelins
i am sick of buying quarterstaffs all the time so T-D

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Posted 16 May 2008 - 06:19 PM

That extra 10% attack speed could mean a lot. biggrin.gif
And ever since quarterstaff got cheaper, its easier to buy mkb now.

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Posted 16 May 2008 - 06:50 PM

It doesnt matter where the IAS come from. Thats a minor issue. To change it means every player will have to learn the new combination (again). It will juz piss ppl off and those who dont read the changelog will probably buy the recipe wrongly at first. It will piss them off.
Your suggestion hardly does anything gd and it causes an irritation. t-down.

Ppl need to stop anyhow voting.

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Posted 16 May 2008 - 07:16 PM

OMG!!! You are reducing the price of the item by 500 (because of reduction in quarterstaff's price)!!

I guess this could be adjusted through ballancing, but why go through extra work to make something slightly better. Javelin is only used in 1 item, so i think there should be 2 javelins in it.

No vote.

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Posted 16 May 2008 - 10:29 PM

it make sense... t-up. about the price, maybe add a recipe to it again? or just reduce the MKB effect slightly.

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Posted 17 May 2008 - 08:08 AM

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Lastly, yes, making the item 250 gold cheaper would make a difference.


No it wouldn't.  Quit your complaining, it's 250 freaking gold, thats maybe 10 seconds of neutraling...

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Posted 17 May 2008 - 12:29 PM

I'd say yes and if cost is a problem nerf MKB a little.

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Posted 17 May 2008 - 12:32 PM

Since people are actually voting, again... I guess I'm adding a 500 gold recipe.

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Posted 17 May 2008 - 01:43 PM

I don't really care.
Well, I do care slightly.  I'll just say the same thing that Skurai since that's the only comment that I 100% agree to.  

The item is fine.  The IAS bonus is merely a bonus for completing the item.  No point in making it a 4-item recipe thing.  
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Posted 17 May 2008 - 07:23 PM

I don't know, but there must be a reason why they changed Q-staff in the first place right? And you're putting it back.

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Posted 17 May 2008 - 08:27 PM

QUOTE(OmgDrow @ Nov 27 2007, 04:23 AM) View Post

Why would 2 javelin and a sword combine into the most powerfull axe in the game? (same thing with staff, javelin and sword)
NO REASON AT ALL!! biggrin.gif
But your remake makes sense so T-UP...


I think it's a Crossbow. Icon says it all.

Butterfly has Evasion. Where does it come from?

I don't think it's needed though. Null vote.

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Posted 18 May 2008 - 07:47 AM

I honestly don't like it...especially the part where you gave it a recipe, it slows things down IMO.
I really like how MKB is built today...

where did hp regen on Heart came from?...it doesn't necessarilly need the RoH right?

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Posted 18 May 2008 - 01:29 PM

One thing that would change with if this was implemented is that you would need to go back to town, or use chicken, to buy the recipe. I like it the way it currently is as you can just buy the items at the side shops, secret shop, and it auto combines.

As far as the IAS bonus coming from nowhere, then what about HoD? You get +20 dmg "out of nowhere" but I don't see anyone having a problem with that. There are probably other items that get extra bonuses but I just got home from work and am too lazy to look right now.

Its a game so it doesn't need to make sense and its a good use for Javelins. I already have to buy a shitload of Quarterstaffs when I want to make Orchid.

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Posted 03 August 2008 - 01:12 PM

Nah quarterstaff is overused, and I kinda like the concept of 2 javilins...

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