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Posted 27 February 2007 - 08:12 AM

Neutral Creep Guide by MrX
v3.81 - Now updated for 6.52d

An announcement: This guide will no longer be updated by me as I've lost interest in the game. Please send me a pm if you'd like to take over this guide.

Cheers.


NEW:
  • Updated HoM values
  • Updated Dark Troll Warlord spells
  • Updated Siege unit info
  • Updated Creep Pulling & Spawning info
CHANGES SINCE 6.51:
  • HoM Transmute bounty changed for some creeps
  • Siege units now get a minor bonus when the respective range rax (Temple of the Damned/Ancient of Lore) is destroyed
  • Initial creep waves in -ap now spawn 30 seconds later
  • Lowered cast range on Neutral Dark Troll's Ensnare
  • Increased cooldown on Neutral Dark Troll's Raise Dead
Warning: This guide is very image intensive. Please be patient and wait for them to load.

This guide is made for the Dota-AllStars skin which can be changed at the bottom of the page.


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Table of Contents
Tip: Use CTRL+F and type in the index number to go straight to that section.

1.0 Introduction

2.0 Dominating Creeps

2.01 Helm of the Dominator
2.02 Aiushtha, Enchantress' Enchant
2.03 Chen, Holy Knight's Holy Persuasion

3.0 Useful Facts
3.01 General
3.02 Hand of Midas *UPDATED*
3.03 Purge
3.04 Brilliance Auras
3.05 Creep Pulling *UPDATED*
3.06 Creep Upgrades *UPDATED*

4.0 Spawnpoints
4.01 Location
4.02 Groups

5.0 Creep Bestiary *UPDATED*
5.01 Treant/Ghoul, Druid of the Talon/Necromancer, Glaive Thrower/Meat Wagon
5.02 Alpha Wolf
5.03 Black Dragon
5.04 Black Drake
5.05 Blue Dragonspawn Overseer
5.06 Blue Dragonspawn Sorcerer
5.07 Centaur Khan
5.08 Centaur Outrunner
5.09 Dark Troll
5.10 Dark Troll Warlord
5.11 Elder Jungle Stalker
5.12 Enraged Wildkin
5.13 Fel Beast
5.14 Forest Troll Berserker
5.15 Forest Troll High Priest
5.16 Ghost
5.17 Giant Wolf
5.18 Gnoll Assassin
5.19 Granite Golem
5.20 Jungle Stalker
5.21 Kobold
5.22 Kobold Taskmaster
5.23 Kobold Tunneler
5.24 Mud Golem
5.25 Ogre Magi
5.26 Ogre Mauler
5.27 Polar Furbolg Champion
5.28 Polar Furbolg Ursa Warrior
5.29 Rock Golem
5.30 Roshan
5.31 Satyr Hellcaller
5.32 Satyr Soulstealer
5.33 Satyr Trickster
5.34 Wildkin
5.35 Supercreeps - Ancient Hydra, Scary Fish, Siege Golem

6.0 Comparisons and Statistics *TEMPORARILY REMOVED*
6.01 The Best Camp?
6.02 EHP per Gold
6.03 Best Creep to HoM
6.04 DPS per EHP

7.0 Closing Thoughts
7.01 Conclusion
7.02 Credits
7.03 Version History

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1.0 Introduction
Ever wondered what creeps would be useful to dominate? Which would benefit you the most? Where are they located? Hopefully this simple guide will give you a good idea of the neutral creeps that spawn and the best choices to use.


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2.0 Dominating Creeps
Currently, there are only 3 methods of dominating creeps.

2.01 Helm of the Dominator
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(image taken from DP)

Comments: Can be used by all heroes, which makes it a very versatile item. Lasts for 20 minutes (!) which is more or less a third of your normal one hour match. Only drawback is that it has an orb effect which might override other useful orbs and its 5 minute cooldown.

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2.02 Aiushtha, Enchantress' Enchant
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Brings target unit under control of Aiushtha. If the unit cannot be converted, it will instead be slowed.

Level 1 - 30 second cooldown, 10% slow if unit cannot be converted.
Level 2 - 25 second cooldown, 20% slow if unit cannot be converted.
Level 3 - 20 second cooldown, 30% slow if unit cannot be converted.
Level 4 - 15 second cooldown, 40% slow if unit cannot be converted.

Comments: Doesn't work on Ancients or Golems. Now that it lasts 2 minutes (since 6.33), it looks like it'll be a decent option now. However, the creep dies after its time period ends, causing you not to gain experience and gold.

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2.03 Chen, Holy Knight's Holy Persuasion
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Takes control of a target enemy unit.

Level 1 - 1 Unit Max. 75 HP Bonus.
Level 2 - 1 Unit Max. 150 HP Bonus.
Level 3 - 2 Unit Max. 225 HP Bonus.
Level 4 - 3 Unit Max. 300 HP Bonus.

Comments: The ham in Chen's hamburger. The fact that it has a HP bonus and doesn't have a time limit makes this the best choice if you're going for a "creep dominating" built. Synergises very well with his other spells. Penitence to slow the enemy down while your creeps get into range, Test of Faith to instantly teleport your creep safety and Hand of God to fully heal your creeps. Even works with creeps dominated using the Helm of the Dominator. Only drawback is the unit cap.


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3.0 Useful Facts

3.01 General
  • Controlled creeps can be easily killed with Devour (Lucifer - Doom Bringer) and Hand of Midas.
  • Hand of Midas doesn't work on creeps dominated with Helm of the Dominator
  • Creeps dominated by Helm of the Dominator can be heavily damaged by Purge (Diffusal Blade, Medusa - Gorgon and Satyr Trickster)
  • Dominated creeps can't be seen on the minimap, making them ideal for ganking. Only some are shown on the minimap as small dots (these are the high leveled creeps, meaning the Polar Furbolg Ursa Warrior, Satyr Hellcaller and Centaur Khan).
  • Ancients and Golems can't be dominated.
  • Placing wards (observer or sentry) and any friendly unit on the neutral creep camp will prevent them from spawning.
  • Roshan spawns immediately at the start of the game.
  • The rest of the creeps spawn when allied creeps at both lanes at the sides of the map (left and right) start attacking opponent's creeps. Spawns at minute 2:00.
  • Neutral creeps always respawn at the minute mark (Roshan spawns 10 minutes after being killed). Meaning, for example, you kill a creep group at the 45th second of a minute. Quickly get out of the area and you just have to wait 15 seconds for the creeps in that area to spawn again. It is important you get a fair distance away though, else they won't spawn. Very useful for timing neutral creep farming. (refer to 3.05 Creep Pulling for better explanation)
  • Being an Ancient doesn't mean the creep is spell immune. Creeps that aren't immune to all spells are the Black Drake, Dragonspawn Overseer and Sorcerer.
  • Creeps will not spawn at their camp spots if there are remains of any corpse. The trigger that's used to activate spawning is that the area is completely empty.
Some tips in general on farming neutrals:
  • Creeps spawn at the minute mark from minute 2:00 onwards.
  • You have to be a fair distance away from the creep camp in order for them to spawn. (refer to 3.05 Creep Pulling for better explanation)
  • Higher level creeps eg Centaur, Furbolgs, Dragons, Roshan etc are often considered 'smarter' creeps. They have higher target priority over enemies with low health. If you are low on health, be careful not to engage them. You might find them changing targets from and hit you instead. (thanks Ironfisto)
  • You can get vital and helpful tips for pulling and farming creeps by reading Creep Pulls and Jungling by Ironfisto (premium quality imo).
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3.02 Hand of Midas
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(image taken from DP)

Hand of Midas is a very useful farming tool that can reap great monetary benefits if used properly with the correct creeps.

A detailed description of HoM as stated in the Item Ability Mana Costs, Cooldowns, Durations, etc. guide in the Mechanics section.

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Hand of Midas - Mana Cost: 25; Cooldown: 100; Duration: N/A; Range: 600; Max level on target: 5; Gold given: 2 bounties + 40% of unit gold cost.

Though using it with normal creeps (Treant, Druid etc.) will still bring you in enough gold, what's the harm in speeding the process up? The following table is a list of the average gold received from the highest to lowest.

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As you can clearly see, unless you see a Dark Troll Warlord, Satyr Hellcaller, Enraged Wildkin, Mud Golem, Centaur Khan, Polar Furbolg Ursa Warrior, Polar Furbolg Champion or Ogre Magi it's best to just use HoM on the Druids/Necros.

The recent update in 6.51 has meant that there are now more options that are of higher value Midased compared to the Druids/Necros.

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3.03 Purge

Purge is found on the Satyr Trickster.
The recent removal of Abolish Magic in 6.42 has  meant that there is now only one way to remove buffs and debuffs, which is through the Trickster. In-depth information on what can be and not purged can be found at sdfsdf's Guide to Purge.

The following are ultimates that can be removed by purge(worth remembering).
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  • Sven, Rogue Knight - God's Strength
  • Slithice, Naga Siren - Song of the Siren
  • Rooftrellan, Treant Protector - Overgrowth
  • Gondar, Bounty Hunter - Track
  • Black Arachnia, Broodmother - Insatiable Hunger
  • Slardar, Slithereen Guard - Faerie Fire
  • Nevermore, Shadow Fiend - Requiem of Souls (slow effect)
  • Purist Thunderwrath, Omniknight - Guardian Angel
Other useful abilties that can be purged.
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  • Ancient Tango of Essifation - Buff will remain, but healing will be stopped.
  • Eul's Scepter of Divinity - Cyclone
  • Guinsoo's Scythe of Vyse; Rhasta, Shadow Shaman; Lion, Demon Witch - Hex/Voodoo
  • Barathrum, Spiritbreaker - Charge of Darkness - Must purge charged unit. If vision of the unit remains, will charge as normal. If vision is lost, it is removed.
  • Rooftrellan, Treant Protector - Eyes in the Forest - Tree can be purged.
  • Purist Thunderwrath, Omniknight - Repel
These can't be removed.
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Conclusions:
There is now no more debate as to which is better as Abolish Magic had been removed in 6.42. sad.gif
Thus, what's left is only the use of the Satyr Trickster.

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3.04 Brilliance Auras
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As requested by ncpfen01, here's a short discussion on Brilliance Auras.

There are basically 3 ways to generate this aura which is through:
  • Ring of Basilius - 0.65
  • Vladimir's Offering - 0.80
  • Brilliance Aura (Crystal Maiden) - 0.6/1.2/1.8/2.4
Ring of Basilius and Vladimir's Offering will not stack with each other. However CM's Brilliance Aura will (6.42).

As of 6.42, Brilliance Auras are listed actual regen rates, no more percentages.

As of 6.49, Crystal Maiden's Brilliance Aura is global. (woot!)


So, to regen 100 mana, you'd have to wait:
  • Ring of Basilius - 2 min 34 sec
  • Vladimir's Offering - 2 min 5 sec
  • Brilliance Aura (Crystal Maiden) - 2 min 46 sec/1 min 23 sec/56 sec/42 sec
  • Brilliance Aura (CM) w/ RoB - 1 min 20 sec/54 sec/41 sec/33 sec
  • Brilliance Aura (CM) w/ Vlad's - 1 min 11 sec/50 sec/38 sec/31 sec
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3.05 Creep Pulling
A mini-guide to effective jungling. Thanks to Ironfisto for allowing me to use his pictures and info from his excellent Creep Pulls and Jungling Guide.  smile.gif

Here are some pointers (quoted from Ironfisto):
  • Corpses takes approximately 15 secs to decay. 2 secs for the flesh to go to the ground, 12 secs for the bones to decay. If you have your finishing blow on the creep by the 45th sec, a new spawn will appear at the next full minute. Make sure you leave the area though.
  • You have to be approximately 500-1000 (in most cases) range away from a creep camp for them to respawn. This includes your own/allied/enemy creeps controlled. If you have a hawk which has vision on the spawn point but is than the range, the creeps will still respawn. However, if you have no vision on the camp but you are less than the range, the creeps will not appear.
  • A more correct explanation to re-spawns condition is that each camp has an area bounded by a rectangle. If there exist a unit within the area, it will thus not respawn. The fact that it is not a circular area means that the range required to pull it is not always 1000 but varies since the width/length of the rectangle varies.
  • All neutral creeps are set to "Guard mode" and have an Aggro of 300 (a more specific term is Acquisition Range). If you fall within that range, they will chase to hit you.
  • Their "Guard" range is 600, ie to mean if they will continue hitting you till they die. If you go beyond 600 range, they will still continue to chase/hit you for 3 secs before they make a 180 turn and head back to their original spot to "Guard".
  • Given the 3 sec buffer time to lure the creeps out of the camp, it is possible to lure them out within a 500-1000 range and if done right, a new fresh creep spawn will appear in the abandoned camp. Once the original creeps return, you will have 2 sets of neutral spawns at the same spot. You can have 3 sets or more at the same spot too (but just for laughs only).
  • Your lane creeps (Ghoul/Necro or Treant/Talons) have an Aggro of 500 for melee and 800 for ranged. Therefore if there is any neutral creeps hitting/chasing you within that distance, your creeps will ignore their original pathing and help you out.
Creep Spawn Zones:
The following image should help you understand what is meant by the rectangular zones Ironfisto talks about.

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So all you have to do basically is to lure the creeps out of those zones by the minute mark for a new batch to respawn at the camp. Sounds easy right? The following picture will give you the timings to make it even easier to pull off.

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Conclusion:
So that's basically it. Read Ironfisto's guide for more indepth explanation with videos.


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3.06 Creep Upgrades
The spawned creeps (ie. Treants, Druids, Glaives etc) undergo a number of upgrades throughout the game to allow the game to end faster. There are basically three different upgrades that will happen which are:
  • Periodical buff to HP and Damage
  • Increase in creep numbers
  • Buff resulting from destroyed Barracks
Periodical buff to HP and Damage
This upgrade happens every 7:30 minutes. This is indicated in the creep's portrait like below:
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Thus, after 15 minutes, the number will be 2 to indicate to levels of upgrades that have occurred.

Note that this upgrade only happens to Treants/Ghouls and Druids/Necros, not Glaives/Meat.

The buffs that happen are:
  • +10 HP
  • +1 min & max damage for Treant/Ghouls
  • +2 min & max damage for Druids/Necros
Illustration:
Here's an illustration to help you better understand.

Initial HP of Treant: 550
Initial Dmg of Treant: 19-23

After 22:30 minutes (3 upgrades), the creep would have:
HP: 580
Dmg: 22-26

Increase in creep numbers
If you've been playing for a while, you might have noticed that the number of creeps increase as the game goes on.
  • Treants/Ghouls increase by one at minute 17:00 and increases every 16:30 minutes to a cap of 6 creeps.
  • Druids/Necros & Glaives/Meats increase by one at minute 45:00 to a cap of 2 creeps.
Illustration:
What it means is that throughout the whole game you can only have a maximum of 6 Treants/Ghouls, 2 Druids/Necros and 2 Glaives/Meats.

Thus, creep increments for Treants/Ghouls will only occur at minute 17:00, 33:30, 50:00.
Creep increments for Druids/Necros & Glaives/Meats will only occur at minute 45:00

In summary:
  • 1:30 - 3 Melee, 1 Ranged (1 Siege)*
  • 17:00 - 4 Melee, 1 Ranged (1 Siege)
  • 33:30 - 5 Melee, 1 Ranged (1 Siege)
  • 45:00 - 5 Melee, 2 Ranged (2 Siege)
  • 50:00 - 6 Melee, 2 Ranged (2 Siege)
* Siege initially spawns at minute 4:30 and every 7 waves
Note: This does not apply to -lm or -rd modes

Buff resulting from destroyed Barracks
When the barracks at the opponent's lane is destroyed, the creeps in that lane will get an upgrade. In order to calculate the buff to the creep, the following formula is used:

QUOTE
Treants/Ghouls
HP = 150 + 9a
Min Dmg = 17 + a
Max Dmg = 21 + a
Armor = 1

where a = Upgrade Level

QUOTE
Druids/Necros
HP = 175 + 8a
Min Dmg = 20 + a
Max Dmg = 20 + a
Armor = 1

where a = Upgrade Level

QUOTE
Glaive Thrower/Meat Wagon
Dmg increases from 35-46 to 51-62 when ranged rax is destroyed

Illustration:
If after 22:30 minutes, the middle lane's barracks (for Treant) has been destroyed, the Treant's stats would be:

HP = 580 + 150 + 9(3) = 757
Dmg = (22 + 17 + 3)-(26 + 21 + 3) = 42-50
Armor = 2 + 1 = 3


Mega Creeps
Mega creeps happen when all the barracks in the opponent's base are destroyed. All your creeps will gain a level 30 upgrade.
Note that if middle lane has the last barracks that is destroyed, top and bottom lanes' creeps would instantly upgrade to Mega level while the middle lane's would only have upgraded creeps when they next spawn.


Conclusion:
Hope that helps you understand in more detail the process of creep upgrades. If you need clarification, I'd be happy to help explain it.

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4.0 Spawnpoints

4.01 Location
The following image is the spawning locations of all the neutral creeps that you can find.
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There are 5 tiers of creeps that can be found throughout the map.
Tier 1 units are the easiest and represented by the WHITE dots.
Tier 2 units are mid level and represented by the BROWN dots.
Tier 3 units are the hardest non-ancient creeps and are represented by the BLUE dots.
Ancients are represented by the PINK dots.
Roshan is represented by the YELLOW dot.

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4.02 Groups
Basically, certain groups of creeps spawn at certain locations. Each type of creep will spawn with another type of creep. The following images should illustrate what I'm trying to explain.
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[Continued on next post...]

Edited by MrX, 12 October 2008 - 07:28 AM.


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Posted 27 February 2007 - 08:43 AM

5.0 Creep Bestiary
Here's the list of all the neutral creeps that spawn in alphabetical order.

5.01 Treant/Ghoul, Druid of the Talon/Necromancer, Glaive Thrower/Meat Wagon

Treant/Ghoul
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EHP (starting): 616
Movement Speed: Fast
Attack Speed: Fast
Range: Melee
EXP (before): 62
EXP (after): 41
Gold (before): 33-53
Gold (after): 21-41
HoM Gold (before): ~133
HoM Gold (after): ~109
Upgrades: Increases health and damage every 7:30 minutes. Additional creep added initially at minute 17:00 and every 16:30 minutes to a max of 6 Treants/Ghouls.
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Druid of the Talon/Necromancer
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EHP (starting): 300
Movement Speed: Fast
Attack Speed: Fast
Range: 500
EXP (before): 41
EXP (after): 25
Gold (before): 33-53
Gold (after): 21-41
HoM Gold (before): ~133
HoM Gold (after): ~109
Upgrades: Increases health and damage every 7:30 minutes. Additional creep added at minute 45:00.
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Glaive Thrower/Meat Wagon
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EHP: 500
Movement Speed: Slow
Attack Speed: Fast
Range: 690
EXP: 88
Gold: 56-80
HoM Gold: None
Upgrades: Additional creep added at minute 45:00.
Comments: Non-organic unit, only physical spells affect it. Has priority to attack towers first. Always ignored by creeps and towers till it is the last unit.

Initially spawns at minute 4:30 and at intervals of 3:30 minutes.
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5.02 Alpha Wolf
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EHP: N/A
Movement Speed: 350
Base Attack Time: 1.35
Range: 90
HP regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 88
Gold: 37-45
HoM Gold: 134-150
Abilities: Command Aura that gives 30% extra damage to the attack of nearby friendly units.
Critical Strike that has a 20% chance to do 2 times normal damage.
Comments: -
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5.03 Black Dragon
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EHP: 2720
Movement Speed: 300
Base Attack Time: 1.5
Range: 300
HP regen: 2/sec
EXP: 155
Gold: 164-234
HoM Gold: None
Abilities: Attacks deal 50%(?) Splash Attack.
Comments: Unconvertable, it being an Ancient. Tough to kill at early levels. Gives the most gold for a single creep other than Roshan.
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5.04 Black Drake
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EHP: 1064
Movement Speed: 350
Base Attack Time: 1.8
Range: 300
HP Regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 62
Gold: 44-56
HoM Gold: None
Abilities: Unknown
Comments: Unconvertable, it being an Ancient. Slightly difficult to kill. Presence of the Black Dragon and another Black Drake makes it only more difficult to kill.
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5.05 Blue Dragonspawn Overseer
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EHP: 1488 (taking into account +3 devotion aura)
Movement Speed: 300
Base Attack Time: 1.35
Range: 100
HP Regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 119
Gold: 86-98
HoM Gold: None
Abilities:
Devotion Aura that adds 3 armor to friendly units around it.
Evasion that gives a 15% chance for the enemy to miss.
Comments: Unconvertable, it being an Ancient. Difficult to kill at early levels.
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5.06 Blue Dragonspawn Sorcerer
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EHP: 675
Movement Speed: 270
Base Attack Time: 1.35
Range: 100
HP Regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 62
Gold: 74-82
HoM Gold: None
Abilities:
Evasion that gives a 15% chance for the enemy to miss.
Comments: Uncontrollable, it being an Ancient. Difficult to kill at early levels, especially with two other Overseer's in the group.
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5.07 Centaur Khan
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EHP: 1364
Movement Speed: 320
Base Attack Time: 1.65
Range: 100
HP Regen: 1/sec
EXP: 119
Gold: 76-88
HoM Gold: 162-186
Abilities:
Hoof Stomp (100 mana, 20 sec CD) that does 25 damage and stuns for 2 seconds in roughly 200 aoe.
Endurance Aura that increases the attack rate by 15% of nearby friendly units.
Comments: One of the most sought after creeps to convert. Spawns fairly often and is easy to find. Can be found in both Tier 2 and 3 camps (though does not spawn as often in Tier 2 camps apparently). Has an aoe stun and a decent aura to boot. Highly recommended. Seeing as the Furbolg now has War Stomp removed, this would definitely be one of the most used creeps now. It's easier to find and has an extra ability, though less mana than the Furbolg now (as of 6.40).
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5.08 Centaur Outrunner
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EHP: 616
Movement Speed: 350
Base Attack Time: 1.35
Range: 100
HP Regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 41
Gold: 20-24
HoM Gold: 96-104
Abilities: None
Comments: Not worth your time. You would dominate the Centaur Khan that comes with him anyway.
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5.09 Dark Troll
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EHP: N/A
Movement Speed: 270
Base Attack Time: 1.35
Range: 300
HP regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 62
Gold: 26-33
HoM Gold: 100-114
Abilities: None
Comments: -
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5.10 Dark Troll Warlord
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EHP: N/A
Movement Speed: 320
Base Attack Time: 1.35
Range: 300
HP regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 155
Gold: 54-62
HoM Gold: 224-240
Abilities: Ensnare (150 mana) that causes a target unit to be bound to the ground for 1.5 secs. (550 cast range)
Raise Dead (50 mana, 25 sec cd) that raises 2 skeletons from a corpse.
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Comments: -
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5.11 Elder Jungle Stalker
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EHP: N/A
Movement Speed: 320
Base Attack Time: 1.35
Range: 128
HP regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 155
Gold: 152-170
HoM Gold: None
Abilities: None
Comments: -
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5.12 Enraged Wildkin
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EHP: N/A
Movement Speed: 320
Base Attack Time: 1.35
Range: 128
HP regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 119
Gold: 67-87
HoM Gold: 174-214
Abilities: Tornado (200 mana) is summoned that is controllable and slows enemy units' movement and attack speed while damaging them. Lasts for 30 seconds.
Comments: -
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5.13 Fel Beast
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EHP: N/A
Movement Speed: 350
Base Attack Time: 1.5
Range: 100
HP regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 41
Gold: 20-23
HoM Gold: 100-106
Abilities: None
Comments: -
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5.14 Forest Troll Berserker
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EHP: 530
Movement Speed: 270
Base Attack Time: 1.6
Range: 300
HP Regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 41
Gold: 22-26
HoM Gold: 104-112
Abilities: None
Comments: Not worth your time.
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5.15 Forest Troll High Priest
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EHP: 450
Movement Speed: 290
Base Attack Time: 1.8
Range: 300
HP Regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 41
Gold: 21-25
HoM Gold: 106-114
Abilities:
Heal (5 mana, no CD) that heals 15 hp.
Comments: Have never seen him being used before, though he has some decent abilities. However, he is too easy to kill and you would rather convert more tougher and useful creeps. The recent removal of Abolish Magic has more or less rendered this creep useless apart from its pitiful heal.
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5.16 Ghost
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EHP: N/A
Movement Speed: 320
Base Attack Time: 1
Range: 300
HP regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 62
Gold: 30-40
HoM Gold: 128-148
Abilities: Frost Attack (12 mana, 0 sec CD) that slows the enemy's movement and attack speed by 20%.
Comments: -
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5.17 Giant Wolf
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EHP: 560
Movement Speed: 350
Base Attack Time: 1.35
Range: 90
HP Regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 62
Gold: 27-31
HoM Gold: 114-122
Abilities:
Critical Strike that has a 20% chance to do 2 times normal damage.
Comments: Not worth it, even though the critical strike may look slightly appealing. 2 times normal damage would only give you around 42-48 damage which is really low. The very low hp also makes this creep a liability rather than an asset.
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5.18 Gnoll Assassin
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EHP: 392.2
Movement Speed: 270
Base Attack Time: 1.6
Range: 300
HP Regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 41
Gold: 26-34
HoM Gold: 116-132
Abilities:
Envenomed Weapons that does 2 damage per second for 20 seconds.
Comments: Weak ability, low damage and very low hp make this creep simply useless.
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5.19 Granite Golem
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EHP: 2960
Movement Speed: 270
Base Attack Time: 1.35
Range: 128
HP Regen: 1.5/sec
EXP: 155
Gold: 107-121
HoM Gold: None
Abilities: Unknown
Comments: Unconvertable due to its immunity to magic. Really difficult to kill.
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5.20 Jungle Stalker
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EHP: N/A
Movement Speed: 320
Base Attack Time: 1.35
Range: 128
HP regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 119
Gold: 52-70
HoM Gold: None
Abilities: None
Comments: -
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5.21 Kobold
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EHP: 240
Movement Speed: 270
Base Attack Time: 1.35
Range: 100
HP Regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 25
Gold: 7-9
HoM Gold: 94-98
Abilities: None
Comments: Not worth your time.
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5.22 Kobold Taskmaster
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EHP: 400
Movement Speed: 330
Base Attack Time: 1.35
Range: 100
HP Regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 41
Gold: 31-37
HoM Gold: 126-138
Abilities:
Speed Aura that increases the movement speed of nearby friendly units by 12%.
Comments: The nerf has weakened this creep and weakened what used ot be 't3h-l33t-ms-stacking combo' completely. Its worth is now greatly diminished. It can be slightly useful now if you still want to increase the movement speed of the team.
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5.23 Kobold Tunneler
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EHP: 344.5
Movement Speed: 270
Base Attack Time: 1.35
Range: 100
HP Regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 25
Gold: 17-19
HoM Gold: 90-94
Abilities: None
Comments: With Bash removed, this is really not worth it.
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5.24 Mud Golem
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EHP: N/A
Movement Speed: 270
Base Attack Time: 1.35
Range: 100
HP regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 119
Gold: 54-62
HoM Gold: 180-196
Abilities: None
Comments: -
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5.25 Ogre Magi
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EHP: 600
Movement Speed: 270
Base Attack Time: 1.35
Range: 100
HP Regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 62
Gold: 43-49
HoM Gold: 142-178
Abilities:
Frost Armor (40 mana, 5 sec CD) that adds 8 armor and slows melee units attacking it for 5 seconds. Lasts 45 seconds.
Comments: After a buff to Lich's Frost Armor in 6.45, the Ogre's spell isn't really any better compared to the Lich's which adds 12 amor, lasts for 40 seconds, slows melee units attacking for 2 seconds and has a cooldown of 5 seconds at Level 4.  Reduction in armor means it is now slightly easier to  kill. Note that Frost Armor is no more autocasted since the Magi starts with zero mana.
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5.26 Ogre Mauler
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EHP: 901
Movement Speed: 270
Base Attack Time: 1.35
Range: 100
HP Regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 41
Gold: 23-47
HoM Gold: 110-158
Abilities: None
Comments: Not worth it.
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5.27 Polar Furbolg Champion
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EHP: 1235
Movement Speed: 320
Base Attack Time: 1.35
Range: 100
HP Regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 88
Gold: 60-70
HoM Gold: 144-164
Abilities: None
Comments: Not worth it, though its chaos damage is good. Save it for its partner, the Polar Furbolg Ursa Warrior which has an aoe stun.
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5.28 Polar Furbolg Ursa Warrior
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EHP: 1364
Movement Speed: 320
Base Attack Time: 1.35
Range: 100
HP Regen: 1/sec
EXP: 119
Gold: 76-88
HoM Gold: 152-176
Abilities:
Thunder Clap (100 mana, 12 sec CD) that deals 150 damange to nearby units and slowing their movement and attack speeds by 25% for 3 seconds.
Comments: -
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5.29 Rock Golem
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EHP: 992
Movement Speed: 270
Base Attack Time: 1.35
Range: 100
HP Regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 119
Gold: 54-62
HoM Gold: None
Abilities: Unknown
Comments: Unconvertable due to its immunity to magic. Slightly difficult to kill.
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5.30 Roshan
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EHP (starting): 11700
Movement Speed: Average
Attack Speed: Fast
Range: Melee, 400
HP Regen: 20/sec (+20/sec everytime he respawns for a max of 220/sec)
EXP: 1184
Gold: 200 (all players on the team), 286-450 (individual)
HoM Gold: None
Abilities:
Spawns immediately at the start of the game. At every respawn 10 mins after it is killed: +2000 hp (max 29000 hp), +25 damage (max melee 351-358, range 440-448), +2 armour (max 25 armour), +20 hp/sec regen (max 220 hp/sec)
Hurl Boulder that deals 100 damage and stuns for 2 seconds. Has a 10 second cooldown, costs 100 mana and has a range of 800.
Slam that deals 70 damage and slows movement and attack speeds of units by 50% for 4(2) seconds. Has a 6 second cooldown, costs 90 mana and has an AoE of 250.
"Reflect Damage" that reflects 20% damage back to melee units attacking it. Only available at 4th respawn onwards.
"Destroys Illusions" that attack it instantly.
Spell Block that dispels some targeted spells once every 15 seconds.
Hardened Skin which makes him affected like heroes are. For example, he's only stunned for 1 second by Paralyzing Cask.
Drops one charge of Aegis (stackable). It no longer gives any stat bonuses, armor or magic resistance bonuses. It is basically an ankh of reincarnation that is droppable and vanishes after use. Reincarnation means that you revive instantly after being killed without giving gold and exp to the other team, and without losing any gold as well.
Drops Cheese. Heals, for 5 mana, 2500 hp and 1000 mana. Only available at 3rd respawn onwards.
Comments: The huge change in Roshan recently has meant that he is now killable over and over again. Though he respawns every 10 mins, which means you'll normally be able to kill him probably 4 or 5 times at the most in a game. He becomes bigger and stronger everytime you kill him, so it gets more difficult after a while.
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5.31 Satyr Hellcaller
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EHP: 1100
Movement Speed: 290
Base Attack Time: 1.35
Range: 100
HP Regen: 1/sec
EXP: 155
Gold: 107-121
HoM Gold: 194-222
Abilities:
Shockwave (100 mana, 8 sec CD) that deals 100 damage to land units in a line (no damage to buildings as of 6.40).
Unholy Aura that increases hp regeneration by 3 hp/sec of nearby friendly units.
Comments: A good unit to have early. 3hp/sec regen aura is very useful early on. Now that it can't use Shockwave to damage buildings, it's not really useful for pushes anymore. But its still a worthy addon as it has more mana for an additional Shockwave which will help weaken creeps for a push. It is now Midas-able as well (6.50).
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5.32 Satyr Soulstealer
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EHP: 636
Movement Speed: 270
Base Attack Time: 1.35
Range: 100
HP Regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 88
Gold: 31-37
HoM Gold: 130-142
Abilities:
Mana Burns (50 mana, 18 sec CD) 100 mana of an enemy unit.
Comments: Mana Burn is good but still doesn't encourage the use of this unit. Not recommended. Now that its initial mana has been reduced to 0, it isn't as much as a pain to farm it anymore.
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5.33 Satyr Trickster
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EHP: 240
Movement Speed: 300
Base Attack Time: 1.8
Range: 600
HP Regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 41
Gold: 15-17
HoM Gold: 90-94
Abilities:
Purge (75 mana, 5 sec CD) that slows the movement speed of its target by a factor of 5 for 5 seconds. Also deals 400 damage to summoned units.
Comments: Too weak and easy to kill. Not recommended.
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5.34 Wildkin
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EHP: N/A
Movement Speed: 300
Base Attack Time: 1.23
Range: 128
HP regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 25
Gold: 15-20
HoM Gold: 92-102
Abilities: None
Comments: -
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5.35 Supercreeps - Ancient Hydra, Scary Fish, Siege Golem
Supercreeps spawn when the -sc game mode is activated. They spawn at the same time for both sides, at random intervals and at random lanes.


Ancient Hydra
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EHP: N/A
Movement Speed: 310
Base Attack Time: 1.5
Range: 500
HP regen: 25/sec
EXP: 476
Gold: 111-1200
HoM Gold: None
Abilities: Unknown
Comments: Ancient creep, therefore most spells do not work against it.
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Scary Fish
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EHP: N/A
Movement Speed: 270
Base Attack Time: 1.45
Range: 100
HP regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 410
Gold: 158-950
HoM Gold: None
Abilities: Unknown
Comments: Ancient creep, therefore most spells do not work against it.
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Siege Golem
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EHP: N/A
Movement Speed: 270
Base Attack Time: 1.35
Range: 100
HP regen: 0.5/sec
EXP: 175
Gold: 106-700
HoM Gold: None
Abilities: Unknown
Comments: Ancient creep, therefore most spells do not work against it.


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6.0 Comparisons and Statistics
Temporarily removed due to available space for characters... sad.gif

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7.0 Closing Thoughts

7.01 Conclusion
Hopefully this guide has been useful to you as it was for me as I was compiling this. Please comment on how it can be improved, any errors, suggestions and the like. I would really appreciate it.  smile.gif

I now realise how difficult and time consuming it is to put together a guide. Kudos to all other guide posters in the forum who have spent considerable amounts of time putting together their guides. Your work is not forgotten.  biggrin.gif

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7.02 Credits
SonE, Qzip, mark2k2k2, josephlcs, VellRikI, Stunned_Mule, wakki, Jos, DoTA Mechanics Team, SsxDoTS, Genosis, gradenko_2000, Ironfisto, shinlogen

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7.03 Version History
Note: Only the logs of the last few versions will be posted as I seemed to have run out of text space.  ohmy.gif

v3.5 - Posted on 8 July 2007. Update on Rock Golem's change to non-ancient type for the pair group. Added Midas values for it. Added Warstomp aoe (rough value) and Ogre Magi notes due to Frost Armor buff on Lich.
v3.6 - Posted on 7 September 2007. Minor update. Added change for Druid and Necro mana.
v3.61 - Posted on 15 October 2007. Added new section, 3.05 Creep Pulling.
v3.7 - Posted on 16 November 2007. Added new section, 3.06 Creep Upgrades.
v3.71 - Posted on 29 January 2008. Added supercreeps info in Beastiary Section and changed the rectangular boxes map to corrected version. Refined Roshan info.
v3.8 - Posted on 14 March 2008. Minor minor update to creep locations and HoM values.
v3.81 - Posted on 22 March 2008. Bestiary updated. Temporarily removed section 6 due to character space issues.
v3.9 - Posted on 24 June 2008. HoM values, Creep Spawning & Pulling and Siege buff added/updated.

Edited by MrX, 23 June 2008 - 07:15 PM.


#3 disrup3

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 09:02 AM

Pinning this instead of your old guide.

edit: congratulations to the premium status. The first misc guide ever to be premium'd. smile.gif

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 03:24 PM

I love the new brilliance aura info added, helps me a bunch when I play chen and if it's better to keep my creep in the lane or send it to fountatin and back only for mana (it would pretty much depend on my current position on the map and how long that two-way trip will take)

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Posted 28 February 2007 - 11:42 AM

Awesome new Brilliance Aura info MrX, and as always nice neut creep guide.

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Posted 28 February 2007 - 11:52 AM

nice, i agree with all your points, but as an addition you could add how to draw treants/ghouls into the forest to kill the neutrals.

-i cant read the red  text @ 3.03 (purge)

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Posted 28 February 2007 - 02:05 PM

yea same here, I had to highlight those text, it's too dark
oh yea, while on that note, maybe you could add what the skills/effects are cause some new players might not know/recognize all of them by their icons

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 01:03 AM

@knallfr0sch: Well, that part on drawing creeps has already been covered in thisisbob's guide.

And I've changed the colours. wink.gif

@Macmac1990: So what you're suggesting is for me to list down the status icons of how those auras look like? Not sure what you're trying to say.

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 06:51 AM

Very nice work, I really like the HoM guide to neutral transmutation  cool.gif

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 03:33 PM

no I mean you know where it simply has all the icons of the effects/skills that can be dispelled or not? I mean that like you should have the names of those skills/effects under them or something so new players won't confuse them because they might not recognize those icons (while reading the guide)

hope you get it, lol I see why you would think I meant something else

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Posted 07 March 2007 - 10:14 AM

Good to see this guide is being revived in a new setting, always thought it was good.

I also have a strategy with furion that i read a while back, if you summon ents and place one at each neutral spawn then cast wrath it will help your farming alot. Just something you might want to think about and develop.

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Posted 07 March 2007 - 02:22 PM

I'm considering about adding this to my sig, been thinking about it for a while (like a month or so lol)

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Posted 09 March 2007 - 03:32 AM

@spawnXe: Thanks for the suggestion. wink.gif
I was thinking about reviving my creep farming subsection, so that'll be a great addition. smile.gif

@Macmac1990: Ah... so that's what you meant. Well, I've added it just for purgable ultis though, cause it's more relevant. wink.gif

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Posted 09 March 2007 - 04:43 AM

First miscellaneous guide to get into premium. There will be another soon by the way. Congratulations on the great job you have been doing for a very long time. I hope you'll keep the standards high. smile.gif

Moved.

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Posted 09 March 2007 - 06:05 AM

Wow! Thanks a lot! Of course I'll keep the standards as high as I can. wink.gif

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Posted 09 March 2007 - 06:28 AM

This has to be added into the version history, don't you think? The picture had its change already tongue.gif

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Posted 09 March 2007 - 07:20 AM

W00t,

Nice job MrX.

Congrats on premium.

Truly is a great guide, it is linked to mine also.

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Posted 09 March 2007 - 09:48 AM

can assasinate be canceled by purge?  huh.gif

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Posted 09 March 2007 - 10:05 AM

Congratz on the Premium, this guide has always been one of my favorites, and has been deserving the promotion for far too long.  Such a wealth of information.

I'd like it to get as close to perfect as possible, seeing how this should be the one stop shop for facts and tips on creeps.

"Upgrades: Increases health every 7 mins and 30 secs. Additional creep added every 20 mins."

The health is increased by 10 every 7mins/30secs.  Just a tiny extra something to add to the ginormous guide.

Actually, check out this thread (page 2).  In it you will find Gradenko_2000 doing what he does best, spitting out  more facts than Alex Trabec.  It has info on the barracks spawned creeps, and summons.   Hps, hp regen, magic resistance, etc.  You could expand out to summons, which I don't think any guide covers, at your leisure.

It's also got a heap of oddball mechanics pertaining to Devour, which I and other weirdos find interesting.  tongue.gif

Edit: Woops...LOL.  Here's the link.  http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?...09310&st=20

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Posted 09 March 2007 - 11:47 AM

Very thorough. Very well presented. Very good job.




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