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#1 Lucifer Incestus

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 07:08 PM

Well, we have a Death Metal thread, why not make one for Black Metal. One of the best genre's besides Death Metal. I'll just go along the lines of the Death Metal thread.


Black metal is an extreme heavy metal subgenre. It is typically characterized by the use of fast tempos, high-pitched guitars often played with tremolo picking, high-pitched shrieking vocals, and unconventional song structures.

The first bands to pioneer the style were mostly thrash metal bands that formed the prototype for black metal in the early 1980s; they are referred to collectively as the First Wave, and consist of a few bands, such as Venom and Bathory. In the late 1980s and early 1990s, a Second Wave emerged, primarily of Norwegian bands like Burzum, Mayhem and Darkthrone. Although there is no well-defined Third Wave, modern black metal bands have incorporated new musical and lyrical trends into their music.

Black metal has been met with considerable hostility from mainstream culture, mainly because of the misanthropic and anti-Judeo-Christian attitude of many bands. This iconoclastic ideology is typical of black metal bands. Additionally, a few black metal bands have been known to have associations with church burnings, murder, and National Socialism. Black metal is generally seen as an underground form of music, in part because it does not appeal to mainstream tastes and because its musicians often choose to remain obscure.

I am really a fan of the old stuff as well as some of the new stuff. Darkthrone was the first Black Metal band I listened too, along with Bathory and Satyricon. Then, I started finding more obscure bands from Germany, Finland, Sweden, Norway etc. The genre really grew on me.

One album I can't stop listening to since it came out is:
Deathspell Omega - Si Monumentum Requires, Circumspice
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Other albums that are really truly great are.

Negura Bunget - Om
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1349 - Hellfire
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Burzum - Filosofem
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Dark Funeral - Diabolis Interium
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And many many others.

Try and post more Black Metal oriented bands, I don't like seeing Belphegor posted on a Black Metal thread because they are a total mix.

Go ahead and reply you gr!mnuggets.

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 08:31 PM

I was going to make a thread like this eventually, but I never got around to it for some reason. On this board I talk a lot about death metal, but my favorite subgenre of metal is by far black metal. There's no other genre of music that has been able to move and strike me as much.

I have a few bands description dispersed on paper sheets around my room that I'll post here eventually when I find the time to type them out. For now I'll just list some of the bands/albums that I've been listening to in the past weeks.

Beherit (a perfect atmosphere of evil, blasphemy and chaos)
Blut Aus Nord (great blend of dark ambiances and black metal)
Demoncy (strikingly claustrophobically evil. Crushes the soul like few other bands can)
Graveland (Powerful and epic music)
I Shalt Become (really amazing and haunting, find Wanderings at all cost. By far my favorite usbm band)
Burzum (He's truly unbeatable)

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 08:38 PM

I never had a thing for the bleak, aggressive black metal bands; the more epic, trancy, tranquil and atmospheric bands like Burzum, Weakling, Summoning, Drudkh, Astrofaes, Hate Forest, Lunar Aurora or Nagelfar always were more appealing to me. I've also got a thing for post-black/black metal hybrids, such as later Dornenreich, Wolves in the Throne Room (whom I'll see on the 6th of this month) or Alcest.

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 08:56 AM

This genre is taboo :0 don't make retarded topics about it, it must remain underground :> besides, those albums except Filosofem suck and the topic misses the whole point of black metal :|

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 08:57 AM

Ah, I like both the violent and the contemplative black metal. There's nothing like some Ildjarn or Immortal in the morning smile.gif.

Now, probably my favorite black metal band ever and three other very important bands.

Gorgoroth

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With their two first album, Gorgoroth mastered the art of crafting epic black metal soundscape with classics like the songs Gorgoroth or Maaneskyggens Slave. They are nearly unmatched in term of lyrical compositions where the emotions carried progress and changes along with the flow of the song.

Recommended albums : Antichrist, Pentagram

Maaneskyggens Slave Simply amazing, there's no other words for how great this is.

Enslaved

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Once part of the black metal inner circle, Enslaved decided to explore their ancestral origins as their major theme instead of going in the direction pioneered by bands like Mayhem or Beherit. These themes thus inspired them to compose epic songs that lack the evil unddertones that are prevalent in most of black metal. Their masterful use of keyboard with their more than able technical abilities (for black metal) allowed them to creat great songs that progress slowly but that are highly effective and evocative.

Albums recommended : Emperor/Hordanes Land, Vikinglir Veldi, Frost

Slaget I Skogen Bortenfor (the song is cut short since it's too long for youtube. Still pretty awesome though)

Emperor

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Perhaps the band that is the most responsible of popularizing black metal outside of the underground, Emperor played a keyboard driven and highly dramatic style of black metal in their seminal "In the Nightside Eclipse". More technically able and professional than most of their contemporary, they created the sugenre known as symphonic black metal

Recommended albums : In the Nightside Eclipse, Emperor/Hordanes Land, Anthems to the Welkins at Dusk

I am the Black Wizard

Sacramentum

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A bit like Dissection, Sacramentum existed at first in the once uncharted area betweem black metal and death metal. Their style consisted of very lyrical songs that were also highly energetic and melodic. "Far Away From the Sun" is a great representation of what well produced and complex black metal can accomplish : it is dark without becoming cliché and it is melodic without becoming annoying.

Recommended albums : Far Away From the Sun, The Coming of Chaos

Fan Myspace. It doesn't have my favorite song of them (When Night Surrounds Me), but the selection is pretty good.


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Posted 03 February 2008 - 09:41 AM

QUOTE(Taxes- @ Feb 3 2008, 02:57 PM) View Post

Emperor

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Perhaps the band that is the most responsible of popularizing black metal outside of the underground, Emperor played a keyboard driven and highly dramatic style of black metal in their seminal "In the Nightside Eclipse". More technically able and professional than most of their contemporary, they created the sugenre known as symphonic black metal

Recommended albums : In the Nightside Eclipse, Emperor/Hordanes Land, Anthems to the Welkins at Dusk

I am the Black Wizard



THE BEST BAND EVER.

Also, the only ones inside all that inner circle shit that understood that corpsepaint lost its meaning and that you can't stand for the same principles that ruled black metal on the second wave era.

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 09:57 AM

QUOTE(Antigama @ Feb 3 2008, 12:41 PM) View Post

THE BEST BAND EVER.

Also, the only ones inside all that inner circle shit that understood that corpsepaint lost its meaning and that you can't stand for the same principles that ruled black metal on the second wave era.


I don't agree, corpse paints can still have a meaning today. This reminds me of an Averse Sefira interview which adressed this exact point that I read some time ago.

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Prozak :
backing up a bit, in the mid-1980s Bathory and Celtic Frost stunned the world with a form of metal that was both the simplest yet created, in terms of its basic and grinding power chord riffs, and most complex, in that it staged itself like an opera, unifying a visual presentation with a concept with a musical form. this is similar to the use of music in ancient Greece, where it was believed that music by itself, without an accompanying storyline and theatrical presentation, was only partially complete. what do you think brought this view back into the intellectual currency of the west?

Wrath :
It seems that those individuals grew up with a healthy fascination for their origins and heritage and quickly realized that this existence was no longer within reach as it had been long-erased industry and judeo-christian mores. What better way to resurrect mythos and wonder than by projecting it through infectious yet markedly aggressive music? For our brand of art to carry any real value it must convey meaning. In our case, the personas and music we have devised are much larger than ourselves; Averse Sefira is an entity in its own right. Immersion is what makes the music live, what makes a spindly guy in a bullet belt into a fire-breathing demon called Quorthon or a tow-headed nice guy longhair into a guitar-shredding grunt machine called Tom G. Warrior. Art is meaning, anything else is just entertainment. The earliest purveyors of this genre understood this and they insisted on creating something that transcended the workaday existence and the conventions of the world they were forced into despite their desires for more and better ways of being. This is why Averse Sefira will always appear in paint and spikes, we will always strive for involved design and presentation, we will always be all-inclusive in our presentation. Music is the foundation but in Black Metal aesthetic will always be important, no matter how minimalist it may be. Those who claim to play Black Metal but still don’t understand this paradigm should form AC/DC tribute bands and play onstage in street clothes.


Corpse paints are used because they allow the musicians to evoke something that is greater than the simple sum of its constituent. When you listen to black metal (or any music for that matter), one should always forget the individuals behind it and try to get immersed in the soundscape that are created. Corpse paints therefore create a wall between the persona and the actual person, something that is important for the magic of black metal to take place.

The full interview is there. It's a pretty good read for someone interested by the mysticism behind black metal. It's pretty weird though, since both the band and the interviewer have exactly the same vision of what black metal should be.

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 10:11 AM

QUOTE(Taxes- @ Feb 3 2008, 03:57 PM) View Post

I don't agree, corpse paints can still have a meaning today. This reminds me of an Averse Sefira interview which adressed this exact point that I read some time ago.
Corpse paints are used because they allow the musicians to evoke something that is greater than the simple sum of its constituent. When you listen to black metal (or any music for that matter), one should always forget the individuals behind it and try to get immersed in the soundscape that are created. Corpse paints therefore create a wall between the persona and the actual person, something that is important for the magic of black metal to take place.

The full interview is there. It's a pretty good read for someone interested by the mysticism behind black metal. It's pretty weird though, since both the band and the interviewer have exactly the same vision of what black metal should be.



It's a great point of view, but when I meant that it lost it's meaning I was referring to people not thinking like this guy here. They paint themselves, dress with black leather, metal spikes, wear inverted crosses but they don't have a real meaning to do it, they dress that way because everyone does it. Sometimes it makes you think it ends up being more important that the music itself. I've seen dozens of underground black metal bands that truly suck, and I mean suck BAD. It's not like I don't like them, because I can appreciate something is good even when I don't like, they are really bad, but they go out in corpsepaint and scream they want to crucify the pope and everyone goes YEAAAH HAIL GOROMOTH (yes, they even take a name that is strikingly similar to another known black metal band) It's just the actual black metal scene seems to have no real meaning.

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 10:22 AM

Well, in a way corpsepaint did become cliche and campy rather fast for the reasons Antigama explained, that's pretty obvious, but I think it's not entirely wrong to say the idea of corpsepaint evolved, in different directions - look at Drudkh and their secrecy, next to their absolutely stunning and innovative twist on black metal (perhaps the logical next step from Burzum) it has become one of their defining trademarks, they refuse to play live, they refuse to have pictures taken of themselves, they refuse pretty much any common publicity for their work, and still, they were are one of the black metal groups with the fastest growing fanbase. Instead of setting the stage for their music with showmanship, they reduce themselves to shadows that pale in front of their music, they're one of the bands where the music, ambiance and imagery speak for themselves. That also creates it's own magic, it's own spell, without theatrical allures.

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 10:40 AM

QUOTE(Ungeheuer @ Feb 3 2008, 08:22 PM) View Post

Well, in a way corpsepaint did become cliche and campy rather fast for the reasons Antigama explained, that's pretty obvious, but I think it's not entirely wrong to say the idea of corpsepaint evolved, in different directions - look at Drudkh and their secrecy, next to their absolutely stunning and innovative twist on black metal (perhaps the logical next step from Burzum) it has become one of their defining trademarks, they refuse to play live, they refuse to have pictures taken of themselves, they refuse pretty much any common publicity for their work, and still, they were are one of the black metal groups with the fastest growing fanbase. Instead of setting the stage for their music with showmanship, they reduce themselves to shadows that pale in front of their music, they're one of the bands where the music, ambiance and imagery speak for themselves. That also creates it's own magic, it's own spell, without theatrical allures.

Unfortunatelly, doing so doesn't prevent you from eventually releasing crap sad.gif

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 10:53 AM

The not playing live and (attempt at) secrecy part has been pioneered long before Drudkh by bands like Burzum and Darkthrone (which, incidently, are the two most important influence that can be heard in Drudkh).

Forgotten Legends and Autumn Aurora are the two best albums they've released as far as I'm concerned. The Swan Road is also pretty good though I don't like it as much as the two others, and well they've lost a good part of their appeal when they started to include a lot of soloing in their songs. Estrangement and Blood In Our Wells are both pretty average, mostly because of that.

Their acoustic album is pretty good and interesting though.

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 10:54 AM

Yeah, their last few releases are lacking, however, the Swan Road and Autumn Aurora are some of the finest black metal albums ever.

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 03:18 PM

Ahh, I love Enslaved. smile.gif

I was just listening to them, anyhow, I find the more melodic and symphonic Black metal to be great such as Darkspace, Grand Alchemist etc. But sometimes I just feel like I need aggression in Black Metal. Such as Dark Funeral, or Urgehal.

Drudkh is an amazing band, I loved their new album. Forgotten Legends was also a good album.

Beherit ist kreig wink.gif

Oh, and Gorgoroth are the only band who can look "true" in corpsepaint in my opinion.

I think I should recommend some MOAR.

Urgehal - Massive Terrestrial Strike
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Darkspace - Darkspace II
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Drudkh - Estrangement
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Enslaved - RUUN
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Those are the last albums I've been listening too lately.

Anyone a collector?

QUOTE(Ungeheuer @ Feb 3 2008, 01:54 PM) View Post

Yeah, their last few releases are lacking, however, the Swan Road and Autumn Aurora are some of the finest black metal albums ever.


I don't agree with that entirely. I simply loved Solitary Endless Path. From their newest album, it had all of the old Drudkh...just with those..uhh..trashcan drums.

But I do agree that Swan Road and Autumn Aurora are their best.

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 03:41 PM

I find both newer Drudkh and Enslaved to be lacking. For Drudkh, the soloing used in Blood in Our Wells and Estrangement seems conterproductive as far as creating obscure atmospheres, while the progressive tendencies of Enslaved seem to have removed what made Enslaved great to begin with.

Much like in death metal, there's very few great black metal bands still around, not that it really matters since there's so much high quality older material that are just waiting to be heard.

Anyway, I'm currently listening to the new Averse Sefira album which leaked not long ago. I'm not impressed atm, which is kind of disappointing considering how good "Tetragramatical Astygmata" was.

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 04:00 PM

Yes, they soloing on Blood in Our Wells was often out of place, meaningless and distracted from the riffs, it became self-indulgent. On the other hand, the solo on "Sunwheel" is one of the best uses of soloing in black metal, it provides the song with a short 20 second climax that perfectly comments the main riff, like the last burning orange rays of sunlight that flood over the horizon before it completely disappears behind its dark silhouette, it marks the transition from the warm, first half to the colder, darker melancholic part of the song, the night.

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 05:14 PM

Well, alot of Black Metal is turning more modern sounding. And that's not what I fell for in Black Metal, I fell for the raw sound that it had. So, I guess we'll just to see what happens.


Damn, even Darkthrone is changing like hell.

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 07:11 PM

I don't think it's just myself, but I LOVE the newer direction Darkthrone is taking. When I got The Cult Is Alive (was my first Darkthrone album, I wasn't interested in black metal at that point, the thing is i'm not really old tongue.gif) it took 5 seconds into The Cult Of Goliath to get my head banging. It's different, I know, but I just love it tongue.gif Then I got A Blaze In The Northern Sky and Transilvanian Hunger and "understood" the whole picture. But still I have problems to digest some of their material. Well, seems to happen with most black metal, specially with the brutal and aggressive kind.


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Posted 03 February 2008 - 07:36 PM

Transilvanian Hunger is amazing, it's not the kind of record that amazes you at each listen, but fuck, there's no occasion that I can think of where I wouldn't enjoy it . I've listened to a few tracks of their later albums, and well they're miles away from creating something that has such a great lasting quality. Because that's probably the difference between an amazing album and a good one. I could listen to Transilvanian Hunger for hours without end. yet I probably wouldn't be able to do that with something like Drudkh, Dissection or Averse Sefira.

Unlike some albums, you can't really enjoy fully at the first listen : it grows onto you slowly with its raw, very raw yet tranquil and melodic riffing. Most great albums are like that, they're not as flashy and impressive as some of their counterpart, but they have a depth of feeling and emotion that is unmatched when it comes down to repeated listening. That's probably why I hold albums like Legion from Deicide and "Det Som En Gang Var" from Burzum to such high regards.

btw, with hindsight I was probably a bit too harsh with the album from Averse Sefira above, it's worth at least a listen. I can't promise that it will have any lasting influence on you, but more than half the tracks are enjoyable.

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 08:11 PM

"The Cult is Alive", while not as evocative or awesome as "Transilvanian Hunger" was above all things fun, raw and catchy - not a great album by black metal's standards, but not bad by conventional standards.

I might have been overly quick with my judgment on Absurd by the way, I only heard their later stuff, the last before the original formation broke up, their firstling has an epic, raw and primal feel to it that combines the chanty catchiness of hardcore with the epic melodies of black metal - it's not bad.

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 08:41 PM

The folkish songs of Absurd have a weird kind of charm going for them, I prefer them over their more common black metal songs. It's certainly enjoyable though simplistic with their hardcorish song structure.




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